Monstrous Form / Discussion

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bigalphillips 26 Mar 2020 19:05

Goat legs normally give +2 Evasion Power and -2 Stealth Power. I'm getting +4 Evasion Power instead of the expected +2. Negative Stealth Power is not doubled.

Cat eyes normally give +2 Stealth Defense and -2 Ranged Power. I'm getting +4 Stealth Defense instead of the expected +2. Negative Ranged Power is not doubled.

Bone Spikes normally give +4 Melee Power and +2 Melee Defense. I'm getting +4 Melee Power, +2 Melee Defense and +4 Ranged Defense. That's very weird.

Elbow spikes are not giving any bonus at all other than the normal +1 Melee Power, +1 Stealth Power, +1 Melee Defense.

Last edited on 26 Mar 2020 19:39 by bigalphillips Show more

GoldS 04 May 2020 00:20

I'm noticing a hidden +2 Strength bonus with any amount of cyberware installed (Had tiger paw installed, then transparent legs, then uninstalled tiger paw, each time I had a flat +2 bonus). This is true for at least the two listed items and cat eyes.

Tiger paw and transparent legs confer no additional bonuses.

Skills (No effects or equipment active):
Art Appreciation
Chef
Chess
Common Dreams
Drone Anatomy
Emerald Meditation
Experimental Chemistry
Eye for Bugs
Fae Eyes
False Forgiveness
Gaze Beyond
Handscripting
Harvest Dreams
Leaping Flame
Long Lost Nostalgia
Monstrous Form
Patchwork Dreams
Pugilism
Pyro
Quantum Mechanics
Secrets of the Cube
Simple Coding
Slave to Nightmares
Sniper
Unwavering Attention
Urban Lore
Whispers from the Stars

Last edited on 04 May 2020 00:21 by GoldS Show more

bigalphillips 04 May 2020 22:50

Okay interesting. So since combinations of items may be important, recording this a little more carefully:

Cyberequipment	Extra bonuses
elbow spikes only	+2 Strength
elbow spikes + blackened eyes	+2 Strength, +2 Etheric Defense1
blackened eyes only	+2 Strength, +2 Etheric Defense1
blackened eyes + spidery limbs	+2 Strength, +2 Etheric Defense1
blackened eyes + spidery limbs + Bone Spikes	+2 Strength, +2 Etheric Defense1, +4 Ranged Defense3
blackened eyes + spidery limbs + Bone Spikes + transparent legs	+2 Strength, +2 Etheric Defense1, +4 Ranged Defense3
blackened eyes + spidery limbs + transparent legs	+2 Strength, +2 Etheric Defense1
spidery limbs + transparent legs	+2 Strength
spidery limbs + transparent legs + Bone Spikes	+2 Strength, +4 Ranged Defense
spidery limbs + transparent legs + Bone Spikes + cat eyes	+2 Strength, +2 Stealth Defense2, +4 Ranged Defense3
spidery limbs + transparent legs + cat eyes	+2 Strength, +2 Stealth Defense2
spidery limbs + transparent legs + glimmering crystal eye	+2 Strength, +2 Etheric Power4
glimmering crystal eye	+2 Strength, +2 Etheric Power4
glimmering crystal eye + scaled arm	+2 Strength, +2 Etheric Power4
scaled arm	+2 Strength
stitched arms	+2 Strength
the Claw (not counterculture)	no bonus
demon face	+2 Strength

¹ I'm getting a total of +4 ED; but blackened eyes say they give +2. No change with a mask/shades/no headgear/etc on. It's possible they give extra bonus under some circumstances unrelated to Monstrous Form. The extra ED seems to be coming from the blackened eyes only.

² I'm getting a total of +4 SD; but cat eyes say they give +2. No change with a mask/shades/no headgear/etc on. It's possible they give extra bonus under some circumstances unrelated to Monstrous Form. The extra SD seems to be coming from the cat eyes only. GoldS - were you getting that too?

³ +4 Ranged Defense seems to be coming exclusively from Bone Spikes.

⁴ I'm getting a total of +5 EP; but glimmering crystal eye only gives +3; so an extra 2.

Only skills I have are Monstrous Form, Simple Coding, Chess so I don't think there's anything else interfering there. No equipment, effects or furniture active. It's possible I just missed it earlier, but I'm not sure why I was not getting the strength bonus from elbow spikes earlier.

"The more you accept your monstrous nature, expressing it outwardly, the more you exceed the limits of what is human." - are there cumulative bonuses you get for having, say all six cyberware slots filled with monstrosities? No known organware yet, I think (ironically, visible organs are not organware, but I think(?) that makes sense from their description).

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With Torn Flesh (-3 Melee Defense, -3 Fire Defense, -6 Strength)
and Glimmering Crystal Eye (+3 Etheric Power, +6 Will, -6 Perception)

Getting
5 Etheric Power, -3 Fire Defense, -3 Melee Defense, -6 Perception, -4 Strength, +6 Will

Equals +2 EP, +2 Str
—
With Torn Flesh (-3 Melee Defense, -3 Fire Defense, -6 Strength)
and Glimmering Crystal Eye (+3 Etheric Power, +6 Will, -6 Perception)
and Scaled Arm (+2 Melee Power, +1 Melee Defense, -1 Fire Defense)

Getting
5 Etheric Power, 2 Melee Power, -2 Melee Defense, -4 Fire Defense, -6 Perception, -4 Strength, +6 Will

Equals +2 EP, +2 Str
—-

With dark wings:
Actual: +4 Etheric Power, +2 Strength
Expected: +4 Etheric Power, -2 Evasion Power
Bonus: 2 Evasion Power, +2 Strength

Last edited on 10 May 2020 15:36 by bigalphillips Show more

GoldS 04 May 2020 23:34

I was getting +4 SD with just the cat eyes, yes.

bigalphillips 09 May 2020 05:00

Thanks for confirming GoldS.

EDIT: more effects (no weapon equipped):

CH	BSc	BSp	CO	Actual	Expected	Bonus
			√	1 MD, 3 RD, 2 SD	1 MD, 2 SD	3 RD
		√		4 MP, 2 MD, 4 RD, +2 Str	4 MP, 2 MD	4 RD, 2 Str
		√	√	4 MP, 4 MD, 6 RD, 2 SD, +2 Str	4 MP, 4 MD, 1 RD, 2 SD	5 RD, 2 Str
	√			2 MD, 4 RD, -2 Ref, +2 Str	2 MD, 2 RD, -2 Ref	2 RD, 2 Str
	√		√	4 MD, 6 RD, 2 SD, -2 Ref, +2 Str	4 MD, 3 RD, 2 SD, -2 Ref	3 RD, 2 Str
	√	√		4 MP, 5 MD, 7 RD, -2 Ref, +2 Str	4 MP, 5 MD, 3 RD, -2 Ref	4 RD, 2 Str
	√	√	√	4 MP, 7 MD, 9 RD, 2 SD, -2 Ref, +2 Str	4 MP, 7 MD, 4 RD, 2 SD, -2 Ref	5 RD, 2 Str
√				6 MP, 4 MD, 6 RD, -4 Ref, +2 Str	6 MP, 4 MD, -4 Ref	6 RD, 2 Str
√			√	6 MP, 6 MD, 8 RD, 2 SD, -4 Ref, +2 Str	6 MP, 6 MD, 1 RD, 2 SD, -4 Ref	7 RD, 2 Str
√		√		10 MP, 7 MD, 9 RD, -4 Ref, +2 Str	10 MP, 7 MD, 1 RD, -4 Ref	8 RD, 2 Str
√		√	√	10 MP, 9 MD, 11 RD, 2 SD, -4 Ref, +2 Str	10 MP, 9 MD, 2 RD, 2 SD, -4 Ref	9 RD, 2 Str
√	√			6 MP, 7 MD, 9 RD, -6 Ref, +2 Str	6 MP, 7 MD, 3 RD, -6 Ref	6 RD, 2 Str
√	√		√	6 MP, 9 MD, 11 RD, 2 SD, -6 Ref, +2 Str	6 MP, 9 MD, 4 RD, 2 SD, -6 Ref	7 RD, 2 Str
√	√	√		10 MP, 10 MD, 12 RD, -6 Ref, +2 Str	10 MP, 10 MD, 4 RD, -6 Ref	8 RD, 2 Str
√	√	√	√	10 MP, 12 MD, 14 RD, 2 SD, -6 Ref, +2 Str	10 MP, 12 MD, 5 RD, 2 SD, -6 Ref	9 RD, 2 Str

Assuming +1 MD/RD for bone two interactions (or +2 for three, +3 for four, etc).

Chitin Hands seems to give +6 RD, Bone Spikes gives +2 RD, Calcified Organs gives +1 RD, and Bone Scales gives nothing.

EDIT: Kinak confirms the monstrous form bonuses are all coded manually. So we can just test everything on the items testing page.

Last edited on 11 May 2020 14:58 by bigalphillips Show more