The mechanics behind monster fighting

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do they use our technique system?

The mechanics behind monster fighting

Vholes 24 Mar 2009 07:11

Found some weird stuff fighting two ghouls in the charnel house:

You latch onto the ghoul and tear a chunk out of it with your teeth, dealing 14 damage.
The ghoul rakes you with its claws for 4 damage.
The ghoul tears into you with sharp claws, but can't find enough purchase to deal you more than 8 damage.

The ghoul leaps a shocking distance straight up.
The ghoul latches onto you and tears a chunk out of you with its teeth, dealing 8 damage.

The ghoul crawls along the ceiling above your head.
The ghoul leaps a shocking distance straight up.

The ghoul drops down on you, viciously clawing you for 11 damage.
The ghoul crawls along the ceiling above your head.

The ghoul drops down on you, viciously clawing you for 10 damage.

Notice that one of the ghouls used in sequence "tear apart", Ghoul Bite, "shocking leap", "ceiling crawl", and "vicious drop". This is the first time I've seen this happen, which is unsurprising since it requires the ghoul to draw one each of those exact 5 techniques.

…or should we assume it draws techniques like we do? It bit me with a sequence 1 technique surrounded on either side, which is impossible for us. Either Ghoul Bite is a different attack than ours (with the same attack message, but a different chain #), or the ghoul has a 'sequence 0' attack called 'tear apart', or the whole thing is different.

I'm inclined to believe opponents have technique decks like we do, but this is puzzling and suggests the situation is more complicated than that. For another example, I doubt it's possible for an opponent to run out of techniques and forfeit, as we can.

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Re: The mechanics behind monster fighting

Argeth 10 Apr 2009 23:38

If I had to guess, the basic mechanics are similar, but not identical. As you mentioned, enemies don't run out of possible options (Or if they do, we've not seen it yet)

If I had to guess, enemies per turn get a given weight to get 'components' of a move list. As you spotted, the leap a shocking distance either has no actual value, or a value that can be used from both 1 descending (We assume, as you said, we have no 0)and from an unknown probably 2 or higher move. Of course, we also don't know the value on claw rake or tear apart, both of which seem to be unique (Tear apart doesn't seem to act exactly like Brutality, in that it can find purchase while you have a move if not always, claw rake, who knows.)

It could just be simply rng. There's a maximum length chain an enemy can have if they match us, so weight for elements are likely different, if you get them, you use them. Then again, most other enemies seem to respond in a proper fashion, aside from the unlimited moves (But I don't know about the mouth full of bats from the insane bum…)

Really, we'd need to keep fighting things with moves we know we can use (Midgard security, Zombies I think, and Third Eyes, thugs and poseurs.) and try to keep track of any unusual things. Otherwise we can assume they work the same way we do, but maybe a larger deck. Of course, the best way to test that would be to repeatedly sit through having our heads beaten in until we find any inconsistancies, but that's no fun.

Re: The mechanics behind monster fighting

Vholes 11 Apr 2009 05:01

The mouthful of bats from the bum (or ghoul king and I think maybe one or two others) just disables the attack following it, not the attack opposing it. Haven't seen anything weird there.

Unfortunately, all this reset competition means I'm unwilling to sit and spade. ;)
I was about 10 turns short of resetting at the end of the day last time, which made me kick myself for wasting body and no pain and stupid similar effects. We'll see if I can overtake Lord Finisher.

EDIT: damnit damnit damnit forgot to use the Sewer Hideout 'last adventured' link >:(

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