Flying Eye / Discussion

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Vholes 10 Mar 2010 04:09

This could easily be coincidence, but I didn't get hit by the entrapping gaze attack until I actually put on some etheric defense.

Also as a point of data you can get a free runaway at 36 reflexes but it's still very difficult to get one even with 53.

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Vholes 11 Mar 2010 00:29

Tried again today, always after the entrapping gaze effect was put on. The free run I got yesterday with 36 reflexes was without the effect.

buffed Ref	Fail	Run	Free Run
53		7
48		1

And without getting the effect:

50		3
48		1
27		1
22		1

I guess it's just ridiculously hard. Hard enough that Kinak wouldn't make you do it to talk to Dr. Johnson? I hope so.

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bigalphillips 17 Nov 2010 07:11

Chains data from logs:

Chain	# obs.	Approx
BEAT WINGS,EVIL EYE	50	1/5
BEAT WINGS,WING BATTER	58	1/5
EVIL EYE	53	1/5
GAZE	58	1/5
WING BATTER	54	1/5

bigalphillips 20 Jan 2014 14:24

The question came up on podcast 34 about when in-combat effects are applied. This also got me wondering whether the Bore Hole in the Flesh is checking if the eye has used it multiple times or checking if you have the entrapped effect.

Looking through some logs, I found a couple instances where one eye bores into me, and then a different eye bores deeper.

Also this one:

You dive for cover.
The eye focuses its gaze on you. You feel a strange tingling, then start bleeding as a hole is bored into your flesh, dealing 1 damage.
The eye focuses its gaze on you, boring deeper into your flesh for 1 damage.
The eye batters you with its wings, dealing 2 damage, but you duck behind cover, which absorbs all of the damage.

You shoot the eye for 6 damage.
And you end it with a single explosive round for 10 damage.

I can't tell exactly whether the effect is being applied before or after the exact instant where the text is displayed, but it does seem that it is being applied before the next eye can act, even within the same pass.

penguinpyro 22 Jan 2019 01:41

Nothing fancy when killing the flying eye with Evil Eye after receiving energy of entrapping gaze. Didn't even enhance the Evil Eye message.

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bigalphillips 27 Aug 2019 01:02

I got this combat round:

You pray for protection.
The eye focuses its gaze on you. You feel a strange tingling, then start bleeding as a hole is bored into your flesh, dealing 4 etheric damage, but it seems your prayers are answered to block all of the damage.

which normally would give Entrapping Gaze, except I didn't get any. So I think if you block all damage, you don't get the effect. That's not unprecedented.

However, the oddity is that the Bore Hole in Flesh page says "Gives 1 turn of Entrapping Gaze (applied before damage)". But if the effect is applied before damage calculation, it wouldn't know if all damage was blocked and could potentially result in an infinite loop of recalculating damage? So something not correctly documented there I suspect.

EDIT:
At 6 ED:
Entrapping gaze did 2-4 damage when all damage was blocked (gained no Entrapping Gaze).
Entrapping gaze did 2-4 damage when all damage was not blocked (gained Entrapping Gaze).

8 base damage seems correct, but the effect does seem to be applied after the pass/round. Not sure how that interacts in multi-opponent fights.

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