Had 5 turns of the effect, won a fight, got this message at the end:
"Ha ha, Victory! You knew you could do it."
Lost all turns of the effect, and got 2 more XP than expected.
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Whether you receive the message appears to depend on the difficulty of the fight. And by difficulty I mean the amount of XP you gain.
A win against a staring snowman (7 base XP) gives the message.
A win against a hound (3 XP) doesn't.
I seem to be only getting the winter spirits if my rest doesn't cure all my hp. Needs more testing though.
Never mind, ignore this.
Just putting TekRunneR's hypothesis through the works, and seeing if overkill might have something to do with it:
| Opponent | HP | Damage Dealt | Overkilled by: | Ha ha? |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Gang Enforcer | 25 | 30 | 5 | no |
| 2 Dockside Gangers | 12/12 | 30/14 | 18/2 | no |
| Dockside Ganger | 12 | 26 | 14 (2) | no |
The overkill entry shows all extra damage dealt to that opponent, but if some attacks hit them when they were already dead, the amount of extra damage they took from the killing blow is included in parentheses.
In the beginning, men were mortal.
It could quite likely be my observer's bias but it seems that whenever an opponent beats me up, if I go back again and defeat him, I get the Ha Ha's. That might explain why Mag never got the message with his insane high HP.
(could have sworn I posted this theory months ago…)
EDIT: yeah, the gang boss just beat me up a couple times, and then when I beat him, I got the message.
EDIT: but when a ghoul that beat me up and then I killed another ghoul, no message. But I'm not sure if it was the "same" ghoul.
EDIT: but the trio of guards beat me up, and then I got it when I killed them.
I got the bonus xp several times in my last ranged run, and getting beaten up is rare enough in those that I doubt there's a correlation.
Note that your experiences match TekRunner's explanation quite well. Has anyone had experiences that refute it, or the chart below?
| Opponent(s) | normal XP | bonus? |
|---|---|---|
| Dockside Ganger | 2 | no |
| Hound (maybe twisted, maybe drone) | 3 | no |
| Gang Enforcer | 3 | no |
| Ghoul | 3 | no |
| Dockside Ganger x 2 | 4 | no |
| Gang Boss | 6 | yes |
| Third Eye Ganger x 3 | 9 | yes |
I suggest:
1) someone try fighting a few spectral sailors with this active (5 XP)
2) someone try hacking with this effect active, and defeating one or a group of opponents worth 6 XP or more
3) someone try fighting someone worth 4 XP with xp bonus active… unlikely, but hey chance-at-an-exploit!
In the beginning, men were mortal.
You've never gotten it from a powerful opponent when you beat it the first time, Al? My suspicion for why I've never seen this message is that there just aren't any monsters higher level than I am. If you're at close to max HP, and hence don't need to rest and get this effect, you're probably in pretty good shape to win fights. So my suspicion would be that it looks like you tend to get it after being beaten up because that's when you have to rest and get this effect. Assuming you haven't levelled up yet, maybe fight a trio of ghouls with the effect active and see if you can win the first time?
Well, like I said, I've never gotten the effect, so I'm only speculating. I think it's a plausible hypothesis, and it fits pretty well with what you've got on your chart. I just think it'd also be worth tracking your character's "level" at the time, and not just the opponent's.
(According to the gang warfare page, "Very preliminary spading on this "level" shows that level appears to be approximately $\lceil \frac{n}{10}\rceil + 3$, where n is a character's average buffed stat.")
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