Hoop Jump / Discussion

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Magnifico 11 Nov 2010 14:07

Apparently, this technique was bugged (except for defenders in gang warfare—go figure) until last night. It should actually open holes in opponents' defenses now under the appropriate circumstances (whatever they are), so keep you eyes open when you use it.

bigalphillips 12 Aug 2012 08:00

I suspect that there's a debuff effect or two associated with this technique. There's this mysterious "opens holes in opponents defense" AND there's several missing effect IDs in that area (#266 - #268).

Once the Metroplex Day excitement dies down, I'll try to get a copy of this to test in PVP (unless someone else has a copy that they could use against me in PVP…)

PvP testing with Arkaim:

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Power
3 Etheric Power
3 Evasion Power
2 Ranged Power

Defense
9 Melee Defense
9 Ranged Defense
2 Stealth Defense
2 Reactive Defense

(Open) Arkaim: 10 evasion power
(Open) Arkaim: 5 melee defense

You bring a hammer-like blow down on Arkaim for 2 damage, but Arkaim carefully weaves between attacks, avoiding all of the damage.
Arkaim carefully weaves between your attacks.

You set your feet and prepare for a powerful parry.
Arkaim lays into you for 14 damage, but you block deftly and deflect all of the damage.

Arkaim sets his feet and prepares for a powerful parry.

You bring a hammer-like blow down on Arkaim for 2 damage, but Arkaim carefully weaves between attacks, avoiding all of the damage.
Arkaim carefully weaves between your attacks.

You raise your shield to block.
Arkaim lays into you for 20 damage, but your shield absorbs all but 9 damage.

Arkaim sets his feet and prepares for a powerful parry.

2 Etheric Power
3 Evasion Power
11 Melee Power
2 Ranged Power

Defense
13 Melee Defense
8 Ranged Defense
2 Stealth Defense
2 Reactive Defense

You line up a powerful strike, crushing Arkaim for 19 damage, but Arkaim carefully weaves between attacks, avoiding all of the damage.
Arkaim carefully weaves between your attacks.

You raise your shield to block.
Arkaim lays into you for 13 damage, but your shield absorbs all but 6 damage.

Arkaim sets his feet and prepares for a powerful parry.

Arkaim waits until the last moment, then leaps into you, dealing 6 damage.

You bring a hammer-like blow down on Arkaim for 16 damage, but Arkaim carefully weaves between attacks, avoiding all of the damage.
Arkaim carefully weaves between your attacks.

You set your feet and prepare for a powerful parry.
Arkaim lays into you for 10 damage, but you block deftly and deflect all of the damage.

Arkaim sets his feet and prepares for a powerful parry.

Arkaim waits until the last moment, then leaps into you, dealing 7 damage.

7 Etheric Power
11 Melee Power
5 Ranged Power
3 Stealth Power

Defense
13 Etheric Defense
7 Melee Defense
3 Ranged Defense
2 Stealth Defense

You viciously slash Arkaim for 17 damage, but Arkaim carefully weaves between attacks, avoiding all of the damage.
Arkaim carefully weaves between your attacks.

You set your feet and prepare for a powerful parry.
Arkaim lays into you for 20 damage, but you block deftly and deflect all of the damage.

Arkaim sets his feet and prepares for a powerful parry.

2 Etheric Power
14 Melee Power
5 Ranged Power
-8 Evasion Power

Defense
13 Etheric Defense
9 Melee Defense
3 Ranged Defense
2 Stealth Defense

You line up a powerful strike, crushing Arkaim for 19 damage, but Arkaim carefully weaves between attacks, avoiding all of the damage.
Arkaim carefully weaves between your attacks.

You set your feet and prepare for a powerful parry.
Arkaim lays into you for 14 damage, but you block deftly and deflect all of the damage.

You bring a hammer-like blow down on Arkaim for 16 damage, but Arkaim carefully weaves between attacks, avoiding all of the damage.
Arkaim carefully weaves between your attacks.

You set your feet and prepare for a powerful parry.
Arkaim lays into you for 23 damage, but you block deftly and deflect all of the damage.

Arkaim sets his feet and prepares for a powerful parry.

You slam into Arkaim and deal 18 damage before he can fend off the attack, but Arkaim carefully weaves between attacks, avoiding all but 2 damage.
Arkaim carefully weaves between your attacks.

You raise your shield to block.
Arkaim lays into you for 26 damage, but your shield absorbs all but 18 damage.

Arkaim sets his feet and prepares for a powerful parry.

You bring a hammer-like blow down on Arkaim for 16 damage, but Arkaim carefully weaves between attacks, avoiding all of the damage.
Arkaim carefully weaves between your attacks.

You raise your shield to block.
Arkaim lays into you for 19 damage, but your shield absorbs all but 14 damage.

Arkaim sets his feet and prepares for a powerful parry.

You bring a hammer-like blow down on Arkaim for 30 damage, but Arkaim carefully weaves between attacks, avoiding all but 15 damage.
Arkaim carefully weaves between your attacks.

You raise your shield to block.
Arkaim lays into you for 27 damage, but your shield absorbs all but 21 damage.

Arkaim sets his feet and prepares for a powerful parry.

Power
2 Etheric Power
-6 Evasion Power
6 Melee Power
5 Ranged Power

Defense
-3 Melee Defense
2 Stealth Defense
-5 Etheric Defense

You set your feet and prepare for a powerful parry.
The spider slips closer and bites you, dealing 8 damage, but you block deftly and deflect all of the damage.

You duck behind the cover of your shield.
The spider lunges forward and bites you for 10 damage, but you duck behind your shield, which absorbs all but 4 damage.

The spiders swarm over you, biting in dozens of different places. You take 4 agonizing damage from their bites and venom.

3 Etheric Power
-6 Evasion Power
6 Melee Power
5 Ranged Power

Defense
-3 Melee Defense
2 Stealth Defense
-5 Etheric Defense

You raise your shield to block.
The hound rakes you with its claws for 7 damage, but your shield absorbs all of the damage.

You duck behind the cover of your shield.
The hound digs into you with its claws and finds enough purchase to tear you apart for 12 damage, but you duck behind your shield, which absorbs all of the damage.

You raise your shield to block.
The hound rakes you with its claws for 8 damage, but your shield absorbs all but 4 damage.

You duck behind the cover of your shield.
The hound digs into you with its claws and finds enough purchase to tear you apart for 13 damage, but you duck behind your shield, which absorbs all but 1 damage.

You duck behind the cover of your shield.
The hound rakes you with its claws for 9 damage, but you duck behind your shield, which absorbs all but 3 damage.

The hound hammers you unrelentingly, dealing 11 damage.

The hound latches onto you and tears a chunk out of you with its teeth, dealing 8 damage, but you duck behind your shield, which absorbs all of the damage.
The hound latches onto you and tears a chunk out of you with its teeth, dealing 10 damage, but you duck behind your shield, which absorbs all but 2 damage.
The hound latches onto you and tears a chunk out of you with its teeth, dealing 10 damage, but you duck behind your shield, which absorbs all but 2 damage.
The hound latches onto you and tears a chunk out of you with its teeth, dealing 8 damage, but you duck behind your shield, which absorbs all of the damage.
The hound rakes you with its claws for 9 damage, but you duck behind your shield, which absorbs all of the damage.
The hound latches onto you and tears a chunk out of you with its teeth, dealing 8 damage, but you duck behind your shield, which absorbs all of the damage.

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The hound latches onto you and tears a chunk out of you with its teeth, dealing 11 damage, but you duck behind your shield, which absorbs all of the damage.
You duck behind the cover of your shield.
The hound slams into you and deals 11 damage before you can fend off the attack, but you duck behind your shield, which absorbs all but 2 damage.

You raise your shield to block.
The hound rakes you with its claws for 8 damage, but your shield absorbs all but 4 damage.

Power
2 Etheric Power
10 Melee Power
2 Ranged Power

Defense
8 Etheric Defense
-1 Melee Defense
5 Ranged Defense
2 Stealth Defense

0 REF

You slam into Arkaim and deal 17 damage before he can fend off the attack, but Arkaim carefully weaves between attacks, avoiding all of the damage.
Arkaim carefully weaves between your attacks.

You set your feet and prepare for a powerful parry.
Arkaim lays into you for 43 damage, but you block deftly and deflect all but 28 damage.

Arkaim sets his feet and prepares for a powerful parry.

Arkaim waits until the last moment, then leaps into you, dealing 31 damage.

Power
2 Etheric Power
10 Melee Power
2 Ranged Power
-2 Evasion Power

Defense
8 Etheric Defense
-1 Melee Defense
3 Ranged Defense
2 Stealth Defense

0 REF

You bring a hammer-like blow down on Arkaim for 22 damage, but Arkaim carefully weaves between attacks, avoiding all but 6 damage.
Arkaim carefully weaves between your attacks.

You set your feet and prepare for a powerful parry.
Arkaim lays into you for 32 damage, but you block deftly and deflect all but 17 damage.

Arkaim continues bleeding from the jagged wounds, taking 3 damage.

Last edited on 19 Dec 2012 05:02 by bigalphillips Show more

Arkaim 19 Dec 2012 12:44

From Al's data, it is looking like Hoop Jump doesn't actually reduce the effectiveness of evasion techniques? At least if Hoop Jump is used in the first pass then followed up with a melee attack. Strange.

xKiv 11 Feb 2017 21:57

So we still don't know what "creating openings in your enemies' defenses" actually does?

Magnifico 29 Jul 2019 00:32

Took another swing at trying to create openings in my enemies' defenses. Figured my best bet was to get the "weave between attacks" message by dodging a Melee or Ranged attack and then attacking when my opponent follows with Evasion. Nothing special, whether I use the same kind of attack I dodged or not.

+ An example, just for completeness' sake

You carefully weave between the enforcer's rounds.
The enforcer shoots you for 4 ranged damage, but you carefully weave between shots, avoiding all of the damage.

You shoot the enforcer with no more passion than you'd give a carnival target, dealing 12 ranged damage, but he ducks behind cover, which absorbs all but 6 damage.
The enforcer dives for cover.

You fire a single carefully reserved bullet at the enforcer, dealing 31 ranged damage.

… and it looks like Al and Arkaim tested this years ago. Bah. Maybe it wasn't really fixed after all?

bigalphillips 05 Nov 2021 22:23

Still trying to figure out what the "Slips between attacks, creating openings in your enemies' defenses" means.

I note the Melee or Ranged versions do actually block both types of attacks (Melee and Ranged, non-directionally). The text changes based on who you are targeting:

You carefully weave between the drone statue's [melee] attacks.
The memorial unloads a chattering burst of automatic fire into you, dealing 3 ranged damage, but you carefully weave between attacks, avoiding all of the damage.
The drone statue pounces towards you, claws scratching you for 2 melee damage, but you carefully weave between attacks, avoiding all of the damage.

You carefully weave between the memorial's [ranged] rounds.
The memorial unloads a chattering burst of automatic fire into you, dealing 3 ranged damage, but you carefully weave between shots, avoiding all of the damage.
The drone statue pounces towards you, claws scratching you for 2 melee damage, but you carefully weave between shots, avoiding all of the damage.

EDIT: Oh, found something at least, I think if the opponent I am targeting is not acting (or not using M/R) but other opponents still are:

You line up a powerful strike, crushing the dockhand for 25 melee damage.
The dockhand leaps into you for 2 melee damage.
Kidney punches aren't quite as effective from the front, but the dockhand gives it the old college try and deals 2 stealth damage to you.
Kidney punches aren't quite as effective from the front, but the thug gives it the old college try and deals 2 stealth damage to you.

You carefully weave to and fro.
The thug slams into you and deals 2 melee damage before you can fend off the attack, but you carefully weave out of the way, avoiding all of the damage.

And you end it with a single explosive round for 20 ranged damage.

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EDIT: this is somewhat nuanced, or more than I am seeing right now, I think possibly the "You carefully weave to and fro." applies to a lot of conditions:

You give the guard the Evil Eye and he bursts into flames. The malefic green fire deals him 15 etheric damage. (did not kill guard)
The guard fires a short burst into you, dealing 2 ranged damage.
The guard dives for cover.
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You carefully weave to and fro.
The guard shoots you for 1 ranged damage, but you carefully weave out of the way, avoiding all of the damage.

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