While Underwater / Discussion

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Vholes 09 Sep 2011 03:40

Potentially mergable with Underwater (the monster trait). Thoughts?

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bigalphillips 09 Sep 2011 04:03

I'd say no for now at least - some opponents like the terrible serpent have the underwater trait (so acid doesn't work on them), but aren't "underwater" (so ranged techs still work). I'm not really sure if there's an elegant way to deal with that though.

Vholes 09 Sep 2011 04:58

True. Awkward.

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Vholes 09 Oct 2011 11:21

Quick, someone jump in the lake and use one of those monsters in a jar. Attack of the Aqua-Ghouls! =p

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Magnifico 27 Mar 2012 22:08

I was getting full effect out of Crushing Punch underwater even with only 2 Diving Ability. I don't know whether that's always enough, or if my Strength (in this case, 32) or the Pugilism skill has something to do with it.

Magnifico 28 Mar 2013 01:21

Argeth discovered that there are special messages (and, presumably, smaller penalties) for using Full Auto underwater with a speargun equipped. It is probably worth checking other Ranged techniques that don't work as well underwater with one equipped too.

bigalphillips 28 Mar 2013 02:07

Cool find!

Explosive Shot opener - same as abovewater message
Explosive Shot mid - same as abovewater message
Explosive Shot closer - same as abovewater message
Precise Shot opener - same as abovewater message
Precise Shot non-opener - same as abovewater message
Shotgun Blast - "They're not very effective underwater, dealing 8 damage."
Short Burst opener - same as abovewater message
Stream of Needles - "A speargun is just about the worst weapon ever to imitate the firing of a needler…"
Rain of Bullets - "Everything's different underwater…"
Full Auto - "You fire as fast as your speargun allows"
Holographic Shot - normal

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Magnifico 31 Mar 2013 01:52

Quick Shot still does not work as an opener underwater, even with a speargun equipped.

How to fight fire underwater?

bigalphillips 19 Oct 2021 02:53

I'm trying to figure out if there's any way to test Evasion techniques vs Ranged and Fire attacks underwater, other than Gang Warfare (Sabotage Valve). I think I've done it before, but now I can't find anything that will work here.

Opponents you can fight underwater:
Deep Hunter - Melee/Stealth
Foreign Shark - Melee
Ruins Octopus - Melee/Stealth (I think at one point Toss Masonry was thought to be Ranged but it's Stealth?)
Writhing Mass - Melee
Palace Guard - Melee/Stealth/Etheric
Ocean King - Etheric
Kraken - Melee
Rail Serpent - Melee/Stealth
Energized Serpent - Melee/Stealth/Etheric
Albino Crocodile - Melee

Vholes jokingly suggests using the Nightmares-in-a-jar underwater, I'm not sure this has been tested (Living Sludge and Mold Golem uses Ranged). Are there any other opponents we could find underwater?

EDIT to add: Tin Armored Drone/Tin Soldier are explicitly prevented from using underwater. I vaguely recall seeing the Winged Hunter underwater before but that might have been unintentional, and doesn't use Ranged/Fire anyway.

Leaping Dodge has theoretically been tested for Fire underwater but looking at the edit history, that might not have actually been checked. I think that's the only other Evasion technique that has a special underwater form, other than Cloak of Feathers (which I was trying to test). (Oh, and Swimming Charm vs aquatic opponents).

EDIT: Okay, found one! Hollow Monstrosity can be fought underwater in Lake Metroplex, and it does count as an underwater fight:

A freak current propels you gracefully, like a diving penguin.
The monstrosity panics and tramples you with its flaming bulk for 28 fire damage, but the currents block all but 9 damage.

EDIT: Bipedal Rat also shows up underwater, and might be an easier option to fight.

A freak current propels you gracefully, like a diving penguin.
The rat pops up to shoot you for 3 ranged damage.

This was a fun little spading adventure, I appreciate all the complexities of combat in this game. :)

EDIT: Now to find a human opponent to fight underwater for Unexpected Grab…

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