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bigalphillips 18 Oct 2013 01:50

I got Hide Yourself (+2 SP, +4 Str) after wearing the mask for a bit and then using it. Valmo got something different and there seem to be a lot more effect gaps.

Strength was my lowest buffed stat, and I was using strength-based stealth/melee attacks, if that matters. (Unexpected Grab, Kidney Punch, Brutality, Crushing Punch).

Valmo 18 Oct 2013 18:15

I was etheric the whole time with the mask but I'm not sure if that is a factor. The first fight I won with stealth techs triggered Hide Your Hunt option, likewise the first win with etheric triggered Hide Your Emotions. After a while with the mask on and using stealth it triggered Hide Yourself. Hide Your Decisions triggered last after I went back to the Slags Gate and resumes using fire. Going by the gap in effect IDs there are probably a few more things we can hide or some second tier.

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Gone fishin', be back at dark-thirty!

bigalphillips 19 Oct 2013 03:30

So it seems that using enough attribute-based techniques in combat unlocks one of four "lessons", depending on the attribute used.

When clicking on one of the lessons (by using the mask), it gives an effects and possibly other stuff, which I am theorizing depends on how many lessons you've unlocked today. With 1 lesson, it gave just 20 turns of an effect. With 4 lessons, it gave 30 turns of effect, 2 techniques and 8 XP in strength. Someone reported getting 30 turns without the other stuff, perhaps for 2 lessons learned?

EDIT: Crypto says he unlocked 3 but only got 20 energy and no other results so this disproves the above theory. Also Kinak says that the mask is "pretty simple, well, simplish, well okay maybe not simple at all."

Last edited on 19 Oct 2013 03:40 by bigalphillips Show more

Valmo 19 Oct 2013 11:50

I chose Hide Your Hunt a second time with all four options available and still received the basic 20 energy of the effect message. Maybe there is an interaction between the various effects with some pairs having a better synergy than others.

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Gone fishin', be back at dark-thirty!

Cryptodynamic 20 Oct 2013 02:11

For the past two days I've chosen to get Hide Yourself, with three options unlocked, and I got 20 energy each time. Today I unlocked Hide Yourself again, and then Hide Your Emotions. Then I used the mask, chose Hide Your Emotions while etheric and got:

You think deeply on the previous lessons of the mask and the one you're stepping into, following the mask's grain with your fingertips as you meditate on its truths.

You've gained 30 energy of Hide Your Emotions.
You learned a new Technique: Shadowed Mask (2)

You've earned 20 XP in Strength

This is with 28 strength, which is neither my highest nor my lowest stat.

Valmo 21 Oct 2013 00:05

Maybe the tech learned is tied to the type of XP gained?

You think deeply on the previous lessons of the mask and the one you're stepping into, following the mask's grain with your fingertips as you meditate on its truths.

You've gained 30 energy of Hide Your Emotions.
You learned a new Technique: Masked Evasion

You've earned 1 XP in Reflexes

Edit:
I went with Hide Your Decisions yesterday and then Hide Your Emotions today. I'll see at rollover if I revert to the basic 20 energy of an effect or if Masked Evasion reoccurs.

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Gone fishin', be back at dark-thirty!

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bigalphillips 21 Oct 2013 00:21

Yesterday, with all four lessons unlocked, I got:

You've gained 30 energy of Hide Your Emotions.

You learned a new Technique: Shadowed Mask (2)

You've earned 8 XP in Strength

Today, with all four unlocked (though only the will one acquired today):

You've gained 20 energy of Hide Yourself.

bigalphillips 22 Oct 2013 04:46

After rollover, if you still had some energy left from the previous day, it gives the normal message for having the effect active:

You've certainly learned something valuable from this mask, but you haven't fully explored that lesson's depths.

Forget it

However, once you forget it, you can still use another buff that day.

Log of stuff:
(missed several)

You think deeply on the previous lessons of the mask and the one you're stepping into, following the mask's grain with your fingertips as you meditate on its truths.

You've gained 30 duration of Hide Your Decisions.
You learned a new Technique: Shadowed Mask (3)

You've earned 20 XP in Strength

(next day, only choice was Hide Emotions, didn't unlock anything today)

You think deeply on the previous lessons of the mask and the one you're stepping into, following the mask's grain with your fingertips as you meditate on its truths.

You've gained 30 duration of Hide Your Emotions.
You learned a new Technique: Gnawing Mask

You've earned 1 XP in Reflexes

(next day, started with nothing unlocked, unlocked Hide Yourself, and then immediately used it)

You think deeply on the previous lessons of the mask and the one you're stepping into, following the mask's grain with your fingertips as you meditate on its truths.

You've gained 30 duration of Hide Yourself.

(next day, Hide your Self/Decisions/Hunt unlocked today)

You think deeply on the previous lessons of the mask and the one you're stepping into, following the mask's grain with your fingertips as you meditate on its truths.

You've gained 30 duration of Hide Your Hunt.
You learned a new Technique: Shadowed Mask

You've earned 7 XP in Strength

(next day, don't think I unlocked anything)

You think deeply on the previous lessons of the mask and the one you're stepping into, following the mask's grain with your fingertips as you meditate on its truths.

You've gained 30 duration of Hide Yourself.

You learned a new Technique: Masked Shot

You've earned 2 XP in Perception

(next day, unlocked Hide Yourself, spent a while after that)

You think deeply on the previous lessons of the mask and the one you're stepping into, following the mask's grain with your fingertips as you meditate on its truths.

You've gained 30 duration of Hide Your Decisions.
You learned a new Technique: Shadowed Mask (3)

You've earned 13 XP in Strength

(next day, used a bunch of reflex-based techs but already had that unlocked. then used will techs to unlock Emotions, and then used ~16 more will techs after that.)

You think deeply on the previous lessons of the mask and the one you're stepping into, following the mask's grain with your fingertips as you meditate on its truths.

You've gained 30 duration of Hide Your Emotions.
You learned a new Technique: Gnawing Mask (3)

You've earned 14 XP in Reflexes

(next day, or maybe two days?, had 30 energy of Hide Your Emotions starting the day already, chose to forget it, and the used Hide Yourself (already unlocked). Didn't actually use the mask at all today)

You think deeply on the lessons of the mask and concealment, following the mask's grain with your fingertips as you meditate on its truths.

You've gained 20 duration of Hide Yourself.

(next day, started with hunt unlocked?, unlocked self and decisions, and used it for a bit more after)

You think deeply on the previous lessons of the mask and the one you're stepping into, following the mask's grain with your fingertips as you meditate on its truths.

You've gained 30 duration of Hide Your Decisions.

You've earned 7 XP in Strength

(next day, started with self/hunt unlocked, didn't unlock anything else, used a lot of str techs fighting)

You think deeply on the previous lessons of the mask and the one you're stepping into, following the mask's grain with your fingertips as you meditate on its truths.

You've gained 30 duration of Hide Yourself.
You learned a new Technique: Masked Evasion

You've earned 2 XP in Reflexes

(next day still had some Hide Yourself active, started with hunt unlocked, unlocked decisions later on. Mostly perc, some reflexes thrown in later.)

You think deeply on the previous lessons of the mask and the one you're stepping into, following the mask's grain with your fingertips as you meditate on its truths.

You've gained 30 duration of Hide Your Hunt.

You've earned 8 XP in Strength

(a day or two without using it at all, and then a full day of having it equipped, but not used)

You think deeply on the previous lessons of the mask and the one you're stepping into, following the mask's grain with your fingertips as you meditate on its truths.

You've gained 30 duration of Hide Your Decisions.

You've earned 1 XP in Perception

(Several days later, didn't use the mask for a while. Still had some charges left of Decisions, which I used up, and then unlocked Emotions and used a bit later)

You think deeply on the previous lessons of the mask and the one you're stepping into, following the mask's grain with your fingertips as you meditate on its truths.

You've gained 30 duration of Hide Your Emotions.
You learned a new Technique: Masked Evasion

You've earned 4 XP in Reflexes

Some time later

You've gained 20 duration of Hide Your Emotions.

You've gained 30 duration of Hide Your Decisions.

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Cryptodynamic 23 Oct 2013 00:16

Theory:

Using a single buff gets you 20 energy of the effect. If you then switch to a different one the next day, you get 30 energy instead.
If you use the same buff two days in a row, switching to a different buff gets you 30 energy, some XP and a technique. The XP and technique are based on the buff you charged up with.
Use the same buff three days in a row and then switch, then…?

bigalphillips 08 Nov 2013 03:19

I seem to be getting the techniques more often if I've used the mask a bunch that day- specifically if I use it more than strictly necessary to actually unlock the choice.

When I use the mask immediately after unlocking that choice, I just get Hide effect, but the longer I put off using the mask, the better results I get after using it. The XP and number of techniques learned seem more or less related, the latter being about XP/8ish?

XP Gain	# of techs gained
1	1
2	1
7	1
8	2
20	2-3

That would explain why using one Hide type for a few days and then switching would give more techniques - because it's had more of a chance to build up. I'll try to start counting actual numbers of how many techniques I've used, but I'm pretty sure it's at least partially random.

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