Evasion / Discussion

This is the discussion related to the wiki page Evasion.

Cryptodynamic 25 Jan 2019 22:43

So, a thing to keep an eye out for, as I've recently found that it applies to Dueling Dodge and Chitin Barrier… techniques that are enhanced following certain evasion techniques may require the evasion tech to successfully block damage. Being hit with a damage type it can't defend against, or having no attack to block both count as failures in that regard.

I'd thought that Dueling Riposte and Dueling Shot had broken, but Kinak pointed me in the right direction.

penguinpyro 16 Feb 2019 05:38

So, here I speak only for myself, but I think the Evasion technique table contains far too much information for easy use, and it presents this in a hard-to-read manner, compared to the other technique tables.

I'd like to ask if it's okay if I make the following changes:

1) Separate the tables into one for *real* Evasion-type techniques (listed as Evasion in the in-game technique description), and another one for non-evasion-type techniques that defend against damage.
2) Get rid of all the "X" columns for type coverage, I hate having to scroll back up to the top constantly to see which column corresponds to which damage type. Plus, it takes up a ton of space. I'd like to just list the initials of what techniques are defended against, as "MFRSE", like they are on the actual technique pages.
3) Get rid of all the extra details for technique variants and just make a broad, brief note of extended coverage for conditionals and changes to types in the column. Just like other technique tables, which don't go into excruciating detail about each technique's different variants.

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bigalphillips 16 Feb 2019 23:53

I see what you're getting at, it is a lot of information in a small space; could be neater perhaps. The kind of fundamental difference between evasion techniques and other techniques is that they either block against a damage type or don't; there's nothing incremental about it. The reason that I don't list every form of say, Knife on the melee page is because it is all doing melee damage, just in different amounts. I try to only put separate lines if different forms block different types of damage.

Current chart is useful you were, say, looking for a chain 3 technique that blocks Melee and Etheric damage. Without listing the forms separately, you wouldn't see Parry or Shield Block could work under some conditions.

Point number 2 is not a bad idea. The chart is in MRFES order, which I use standardly across the the wiki. Probably just as easy if it just listed (M,R,F) etc.

EDIT: had an idea that I think addresses the last two points at least (see current page). Still no separation of explicit "Evasion" techniques vs other techniques that otherwise evade, but it's better, I think.

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