Spear Throw / Discussion

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Cryptodynamic 12 Apr 2014 17:00

I've not been able to work out what causes the difference between hurling your spear vs using its reach to stab your opponent. I thought the reach part might be vs melee, but it seems that's not the case. I seemed to get hurling all the time vs Deep Hunters, but it's not as consistent with other opponents, sometimes changing within the same fight. So I think it must have something to do with the technique it's opposing, but I'm not sure what. So far it seems to be hurling against etheric and evasion with some consistency, but it seems like it can be either vs melee.

Vholes 12 Apr 2014 17:51

Distance would make the most sense and is easily tested. Also seems likely that a spear weapon turns this into a melee or ranged attack.

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Cryptodynamic 12 Apr 2014 18:15

A few tests below. For most of them it seems to be the stabbing version at longer distances, but I never got up to actual long distance. But then vs a Rat King using Rush and Swarm and a Horrific Spider using Slip Close, I got different results even though those should be the same chain.

Also, yes, it looks like it becomes either melee or ranged. I would guess melee, based on the damage I'm doing… and a spider's Leap managed to avoid some of the damage.

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Spear Throw + Tail Slam = 8 distance, hurl
Spear Throw + Lash Out = 7 distance, hurl
Spear Throw + Swoop Down = 8 distance, hurl
Spear Throw + Rush and Swarm = 6 distance, hurl
Spear Throw + Slip Close = 6 distance, stab
Spear Throw + Leap = 7 distance, hurl
Spear Throw + Dive For Cover = 9 distance, hurl
Spear Throw + Beat Wings = 10, stab
Spear Throw + Evil Eye = 11 distance, stab
Spear Throw unopposed = hurl

bigalphillips 13 Apr 2014 01:31

For a while, I seemed to only be stabbing the spearwoman, and hurling at the tree of hands, but then later (after I boosted my ranged power? but it still wasn't has hight as my MP?) I got this as two rounds within the same fight:

You use your spear's reach to stab the hands for 4 damage.
The tree's branches crush down on you for 14 damage.

You hurl your spear at the hands for 10 damage.
The tree's branches crush down on you for 20 damage.

It almost seems like it must be random in certain circumstances — the above was with exact same distance (both first pass of fight), same stats, same fight.

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bigalphillips 13 Apr 2014 19:12

I *think* I figured this out - it seems to give the hurl message whenever it is used last in a chain. This is similar to what we call a closer but also works when it is in a chain by itself.

(Also- it's all melee if you have spear equipped, ranged with a speargun or stealth without either.)

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bigalphillips 31 Aug 2014 01:27

I am removing this condition from the page — I cannot reproduce this, even vs. Bat Swarm Beat Wings. (I would suspect it was confusion with the Speargun technique? If anyone knows anything more to try, please re-add to the page.

With a spear weapon, vs. Beat Wings (or Flying opponents generally?)	?
You throw a spear at <opponent>, dealing <x> damage.