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by MagnificoMagnifico, 25 Mar 2019 00:50
penguinpyropenguinpyro 25 Mar 2019 00:44
in discussion Hidden / Per page discussions » Primeval Pit

Could not sneak past the ruins octopus with 3 diving ability and 11 SP, or 3 diving ability and +4 chance of noncombat encounters.

by penguinpyropenguinpyro, 25 Mar 2019 00:44
penguinpyropenguinpyro 25 Mar 2019 00:44
in discussion Hidden / Per page discussions » Skittering Hand

Despite similar names, skittering hand does not interact with skittering skull, regardless of which follows which, and even with spidery skull equipped and high stealth power.

by penguinpyropenguinpyro, 25 Mar 2019 00:44
bigalphillipsbigalphillips 24 Mar 2019 16:25
in discussion Hidden / Per page discussions » Distance

Well, until I looked at the discussion on this page, I concluded that: when unopposed distance is calculated as your chain number times 2. Testing with the grappler gauntlets:

Unopposed Ghoul Bite [1] always gives a distance of 2.
Unopposed Brutality [2] always gives a distance of 4.
Unopposed Punch [3] always gives a distance of 6.
Unopposed Power Strike [4] always gives a distance ≥7.

Doesn't seem to matter if my chains are ascending or descending, or if opponent's chains are ascending or descending or a singleton. This was tested against Ghouls and Dock Security on the waterfront, and Midgard Security in the warehouse.

Reviewing discussion above, that doesn't seem consistent with the fact that Juryrigged Rocket unopposed can sometimes be long distance and sometimes short distance.

by bigalphillipsbigalphillips, 24 Mar 2019 16:25
bigalphillipsbigalphillips 23 Mar 2019 02:47
in discussion Hidden / Per page discussions » Eye For Bugs

With housing revamp coming eventually, I suppose it's possible we need all 4 furniture items for a final reward, if there is one.

by bigalphillipsbigalphillips, 23 Mar 2019 02:47
MagnificoMagnifico 23 Mar 2019 01:02
in discussion Hidden / Per page discussions » Eye For Bugs

With a complete Bug Display, a tired butterfly and a beautiful spider installed in my house, released roach active, and all the equipment bugs equipped, no avatar for making a chain of Encased Gaze, Insect Visage, Chitin Barrier, Living Spear, and Metal Sting in a winning pvp fight. Also no avatar for winning a pvp fight with a bug net equipped.

Swapped out the display for a fiery beetle so I'd have all 3 furniture bugs installed and won another pvp fight with a bug net equipped, still no avatar.

by MagnificoMagnifico, 23 Mar 2019 01:02

Tested the integrated jumpjet + gossamer wings to see if I could fly.

1) Explored the Fifth Floor to see if I could jump. Sadly, nothing for climbing higher. I had Leaping Dodge and Fae Leap in my deck, and was Etheric (ocean sight).
2) Tried falling from the Cavern Grove in the Mushroom grove (having lots of reflexes but not Fae Blessing) Just got broken bone as usual. I had Leaping Dodge and Fae Leap in my deck, and was Etheric (ocean sight).
3) Got lifted into the air by the Winged Hunter, took damage as usual. No flying there.
4) Killing flying eyes does not do anything special.
5) Using a 5-chain descending chain starting from chain 9, including Leaping Dodge and Fae Leap, does not do anything. Again, was Etheric for this.

Also, integrated jumpjet does not giving any points of diving ability.

MagnificoMagnifico 21 Mar 2019 18:09
in discussion Hidden / Per page discussions » Hungry Ooze

For those of you who are crazy and own more than one of these like I do, you don't have to worry about that messing up flags associated with the ooze. Kinak sez:

Having two shouldn't mess anything up. The only appreciable difference should be that you can feed them different things if they're in different forms.

by MagnificoMagnifico, 21 Mar 2019 18:09
bigalphillipsbigalphillips 21 Mar 2019 02:57
in discussion Hidden / Per page discussions » Raging Effects

Drunken Tiger is Raging, from Skull charm.

Chat suggests other candidates to test for rage:

  • Al: Druken Challenger or Roaring Drunk?
  • Al: Sofia's parents after you kill her?
  • Penguinpyro: Midguard in hall of sculptures while wearing punk outfit?
  • Penguinpyro: Office worker combat in infested records offic
  • Penguinpyro: Crazy midgard scientists in damaged buildings?
  • Penguinpyro: Skull in the flames?
  • Cryptodynamic: Punks?

Still an open question if Rage is drug-induced or can be from extreme grief.

by bigalphillipsbigalphillips, 21 Mar 2019 02:57

Perhaps something for feeling with 20 stash at once? Judging by Technique by ID, there should be additional forms to find. Nothing special for feeding a thanksgiving turkey (40 stash).

EDIT: Reading this discussion thread more carefully, past-Al did try feeding 21 stash at once, but I don't know if I checked specifically for more combat messages.

by bigalphillipsbigalphillips, 21 Mar 2019 02:44
bigalphillipsbigalphillips 21 Mar 2019 02:15
in discussion Hidden / Per page discussions » Charmed Chain

In my quest to understand and categorize opponent flags, the charmed chain has some good clues. In previous podcasts, Kinak has confirmed that there isn't a "has_fangs" flag specifically for determining the charms. (edit: And in separate investigation, he confirmed there's not a has_pants flag for the elegantly torn pants; it seems to trigger on the human flag and a few other select creatures like ghouls.) Current known data below (humans in bold, Taking Eclipse in dark green, Inherent Eclipse (speculated) in light green).

Chained Figure Key
Drone Hound, Ghoul, Twisted Hound, Drone Statue Fang
Lake Serpent, Terrible Serpent, Deep Hunter Fish
Mushroom Scout, (Mushroom Harvester untested) Fae
Burrowing Drone, Burrowing Centipede, Horrific Spider, Midgard SD1, Pit Spider, Twisted Patron Spider
Angered Rat, Dazzling Cloud, Flying Eye, Living Sludge, Painted Woman, Pile of Secrets, Spearwoman, Spider Patron, Third Eye Ganger, Trash Golem, Tusked Shadow, Writhing Mass, Giant Maggot, Spectral Sailor, Design Student, Ghoul King, The Navigator, Insane Slasher, Flickering Guard Eye
Construction Crew, Contract Inspector, Counterculture Partier, Dancer, Demonic Bouncer, Dock Security, Dockhand, Drunken Tiger, Fae Dancer, Internal Security (Baton), Internal Security (Needler), Midgard Security, Office Worker (Female), Office Worker (Male), Roaring Drunk, Slags Guard (gate guard), Tattooed Patron, Third Eye Poseur Skull

The Key/Fae/Fang/Fish/Spider triggers likely take priority; then anyone etheric gets Eye charm (whether Inherent Etheric or Taking Eclipse); and then Human; and if none of above apply you don't get any charm.

This could be determined from techniques those opponents use or other opponent flags.
Some notes:


  • Specifically tagged to the chained figure for the puzzle/boss/skill.


  • We know that there is an existing Hound flag; but Drone Statue does not qualify (though does trigger fang).
  • Most of these use Ghoul Bite, but Drone Statue does not (though triggers fang); and others like Painted Woman does use Ghoul Bite (though does not trigger fang).
    • Perhaps triggers on {uses eating technique if Master Defense is eating technique; and otherwise not demihuman} but that seems unlikely.
  • There is also the side-oddity that apparently if you have a Bone effect and Etheric active, the fang is temporarily unlocked as long as you have those effects active but cannot be pulled off. Can other charms be unlocked in temporary ways?


  • Seems consistant with Aquatic.
    • Deep Hunter has Ocean Eyes, but triggers on Lake Serpent as well, which doesn't.
    • To test - if writhing mass underwater unlocks it? Probably not.


  • Not sure on trigger. Mushroom Scout does not have Fae Eyes.
  • Mushrooms and Fae are at odds a bit in David's quest; they are obviously inter-related in some ways but not fully aligned.


  • Probably not triggered based on what techniques enemies use (eg. Midgard SD1 only uses Ranged).
  • Centipedes also trigger this, a bit of a belated surprise. (edit: Crypto says he asked in a bug report if centipedes should be tagged as "skittering" maybe, that may have been added later.)
  • Notably: The Twisted Patron is Spider but Spider Patron is Eye. What makes the etheric version of this opponent spidery?


  • Seems to trigger on all humans that are Taking Eclipse, and on enemies that are "Inherently Etheric".
    • Inherent Etheric is a flag that Kinak has confirmed exists but is not known to be able to be tested for (aside from this item maybe)
    • Notably: The Design Student does not trigger Taking Eclipse, but does trigger the Eye charm. She claim she does not take Eclipse but there is something odd going on with her odd sketchbook. Possible she has the inherent etheric flag? Has she somehow internalized ethericness? Not sure what the story implications are there.
    • No way to confirm but it seems the non-green opponents listed above (Living Sludge, Tusked Shadow, Writhing Mass, Giant Maggot, Ghoul King, Navigator) are probably tagged as inherent-etheric as well.

All remaining humans that don't meet above criteria.

The rare opponent that doesn't meet any of above criteria; notably sappy stuff like the faceless worker/cubicles.

by bigalphillipsbigalphillips, 21 Mar 2019 02:15

Tested the integrated jumpjet, no findings.

Melee: Lash out, brutality, headbutt, ghoul bite, throttle, swordplay, knife, downward stab, punch, crushing punch, live wire, integrated ram play, jab, cruel slash, pry, power strike, wild kick
Evasion: leaping dodge, parry, dive for cover (without shield), shield block, fae leap
Ranged: rain of bullets
Fire: chemical mixture, incendiary grenade, steel rocket, nitrox, frag grenade, tin artillery, microrocket, call the firebird, juryrigged rocket, pyrophobia, molotov cocktail, live grenade, nitro, necrotic vial, shape flames, fire serpent

1) Tried spamming 3 consecutive evasion techniques (leaping dodge, dive for cover, parry)
2) Tried using exclusively fire techniques (see fire techs above)

penguinpyropenguinpyro 20 Mar 2019 00:50
in discussion Hidden / Per page discussions » Stolen Artistry

Per Mag's suggestion, I have tried each of the artistry options (except amulet, which I do not have), with the following outfit:

Equipped Items
Hat: ghoulish crown
Weapon: unending chain
Offhand: odd sketchbook
Shirt: painted dress
Pants: zombie pants
Gadget: black rose

Nothing notable happened.

by penguinpyropenguinpyro, 20 Mar 2019 00:50
penguinpyropenguinpyro 18 Mar 2019 04:12
in discussion Hidden / Per page discussions » Aid From Above

Perhaps it's the fact that borkman seems to have the anniversary pocket mirror equipped?

by penguinpyropenguinpyro, 18 Mar 2019 04:12
bigalphillipsbigalphillips 18 Mar 2019 02:48
in discussion Hidden / Per page discussions » Aid From Above

I'm getting the "its sight is deflected" message vs borkman, and only vs him, in about 3 days of using Aid from Above on everyone I can. Perhaps high will, ED, or vs. tome of binding? I'll collect more data.

by bigalphillipsbigalphillips, 18 Mar 2019 02:48
MagnificoMagnifico 18 Mar 2019 01:33
in discussion Hidden / Per page discussions » Demonslaying Blade

The underwater form seems to be the same regardless of opponent reflexes. With 4 Evasion Power, I got the same form vs. 3x Writhing Mass (0 Reflexes) and a Ruins Octopus (15 Reflexes).

I can only find two underwater forms, regardless of diving ability or Evasion Power relative to opponent Reflexes. "Launch carefully" seems to trigger vs. demons with the replica sword equipped, and "move carefully" otherwise.

by MagnificoMagnifico, 18 Mar 2019 01:33
xKivxKiv 18 Mar 2019 00:18
in discussion Hidden / Per page discussions » Aid From Above

I fought a few dozen flying eyes today, and learend 7 instancef of the tech. When I had entrapping gaze I learnt the tech. when I didn't have the effect, I didn't learn the tech. That's points at condition confirmed.

by xKivxKiv, 18 Mar 2019 00:18
MagnificoMagnifico 17 Mar 2019 22:03
in discussion Hidden / Per page discussions » Static TV Programs

I asked Kinak about the "serpentine bulk" message, specifically if he had maybe typed in the wrong skill ID or something and it's actually supposed to go with a different skill. His reply:

Not broken, just a little weird. But I totally understand why you wanted to check. It is possibly a bit too serpenty.

So I guess the message's relationship to the associated skill is pretty oblique, like the one for Secrets of the Cube.

I think this message is coming from Shadowy Presence, but for the record here's my complete skill list:

Art Appreciation
Common Dreams
Demon Slayer
Efficient Hacking
Emerald Meditation
Experienced Observer
Experimental Chemistry
Expert Salvager
Eye for Bugs
Fae Eyes
Fire Trained
Harvest Dreams
Long Lost Nostalgia
Lotus Map
Patchwork Dreams
Quantum Mechanics
Secrets of the Cube
Shadowy Presence
Simple Coding
Sushi Chef
Third Eye Inward
Third Eye Technique
Time of War
Trauma Tech
Urban Lor

by MagnificoMagnifico, 17 Mar 2019 22:03

On the plus side, running away from 5 different nightmares-in-a-jar in a single day gave me a skill! On the disappointing side, that skill was Slave to Nightmares.

by bigalphillipsbigalphillips, 17 Mar 2019 04:08
MagnificoMagnifico 17 Mar 2019 00:57
in discussion Hidden / Per page discussions » Unexpected Grab

Having seen the serpent pattern from the protein database does not let you know a serpent's weaknesses for purposes of this technique.

by MagnificoMagnifico, 17 Mar 2019 00:57
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